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From: drbob@creighton.edu
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:20:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Big Safari

BIG SAFARI actually predates the Skunk Works as we have come to know it 
today. In the early 1950s, the BIG SAFARI program came about as a quick 
means to fulfill short-notice, highly classified intelligence-related 
programs. One of its first was a project known as PIE FACE, where a C-97 
was equipped with a large camera for the Berlin Air Corridor flights. Since 
that time, BIG SAFARI has produced the WB-57F, most of the RC-135 
conversions, SR-71 and U-2 support, and a variety of U.S. and 
foreign tactical reconnaissance programs, including the Israeli RF-4 
PEACE JACK project.

Curiously, most of the goals of the BIG SAFARI program read like Kelly 
Johnson's "Skunk Work Rules." As far as I can deduce from the 
semi-official BIG SAFARI history, these rules actually predate Johnson's. 
I'll see what I can find about this and let you all know.

Incidentally, BIG SAFARI is part of the Air Force, and not associated 
with a specific company. Although General Dynamics has done and continues 
to undertake some BIG SAFARI programs, other companies bear the lion's 
share, most notably E-Systems and its predecessors, especially LTV 
Electrosystems and LTV. If anyone is interested, you may be able to get 
more detailed info on BIG SAFARI by contacting the E-Systems public 
affairs people at Greenville, Texas.

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From: Charles_E._Smith.wbst200@xerox.com
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:13:24 PST
Subject: Re: Big Safari

If memory serves, and it ain`t what it used to be, 
E-Sytems is located in Garland Texas. They have a hangar
facility at Greenville airport, a general aviation uncontrolled
(last time I was there - in the 80`s) airport about 
oh, 30 miles east of Big D.

Chuck 
Plano Wildcats
class of `74


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From: Charles_E._Smith.wbst200@xerox.com
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:04:12 PST
Subject: Re: Big Safari

If memory serves, and it ain`t what it used to be, 
E-Sytems is located in Garland Texas. They have a hangar
facility at Greenville airport, a general aviation uncontrolled
(last time I was there - in the 80`s) airport about 
oh, 30 miles east of Big D.

Chuck 
Plano Wildcats
class of `74

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From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl <schnars@ais.org>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:35:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Big Safari

The BIG SAFARI office of the AFMC's (Air Force Materiel Command's) ASC 
(Aeronautical Systems Center) at Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, OH, was also 
responsible for the Teledyne Ryan BQM-34A Firefly, AQM-34L and other TRA 
reconnaissance drone programs, starting in 1962. Some mention of BIG SAFARI 
can be found in "Fireflies and other UAVs", by William Wagner and William P. 
Sloan.

The BIG SAFARI office might be also responsible for or associated to other 
"BIG" programs, like BIG BELLY (B-52), BIG BIRD (KH-9), BIG CROW (NKC-135), 
BIG LOOK (EA-3A/EP-3E), BIG TAIL (SR-71A), BIG TEAM (RC-135B/C) and others, 
similar to the SYPO (SENIOR YEAR Projects Office) at Robbins AFB, Warner 
Robbins, GA, which is responsible for all SENIOR programs, like SENIOR BLADE, 
SENIOR BOOK (U-2), SENIOR BOWL (D-21), SENIOR CITIZEN, SENIOR CROWN (SR-71), 
SENIOR DANCE, SENIOR GLASS, SENIOR GUARDIAN (D-500), SENIOR HUNTER (EC-130E), 
SENIOR ICE (B-2), SENIOR JUMP (U-2), SENIOR KEYHOLE, SENIOR LANCE (U-2), 
SENIOR OPEN (U-2), SENIOR PROM, SENIOR RUBY (U-2), SENIOR SABER, SENIOR 
SCOUT, SENIOR SHUFFLE, SENIOR SKY (F-22), SENIOR SMART, SENIOR SPAN (U-2), 
SENIOR SPEAR (U-2), SENIOR SPUR, SENIOR STRETCH (U-2), SENIOR TALENT, SENIOR 
TREND (F-117), SYERS (SENIOR YEAR Electro-optical Relay System), etc.

- -- Andreas

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